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Today is Sweetmorn, the 57th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3172

First up, Robert Anton Wilson needs help. If you have a bit to spare, you might consider sending it his way.


Next, on the topic of various memes going around:

- I'm not reposting that meme all over the f-list today that orders you to do so or else labels you a bigot; not a big fan of the wording on that one. I believe in civil rights, and I think any of you who read me probably have worked that out on your own. And I tend to assume that all of you wonderful people on my reading list believe in much the same way, even if you pass on posting the meme. Let me add that my annoyance with the thing is directed at the originator and their framing of it, and not with anyone who's reposted it.

- Also, in the collection of "things that are worrisome to me right now", sponsored LJ communities barely even register on that list. I can ignore them in exactly the same way I ignore every other community I'm not interested in. I'm frankly rather more bothered by the way [livejournal.com profile] rahaeli was originally hung out to dry.

Date: 2006-10-04 07:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com
as to yonmei -- sorry, i don't see why i should change my opinion of her. i was there, she lied. i saw it first-hand. she did it more than once. and she continued to lie after being corrected. she continued to lie weeks later about what happened. she never acknowledged that she was wrong, instead she continued to stir up shit in various journals, complete with sockpuppet account. i came to the conclusion that she liked confrontation so much that she violated ethical boundaries in the cause of her agenda, and wasn't interested in de-escalating conflict, but in winning at any cost. those are traits that mark somebody as "keep far away" for me. not for personal reasons, mind; i was only tangentially involved -- but both her and the main player in that wankfest went on my shitlist for their behaviour towards other people.

i don't think that that is incompatible with her being a trustworthy friend to you -- i've known more than one person who treated zir friends much better than zie treated third parties. if your objection is to the "sack" -- ok, yes, i should take that back, it was nasty hyperbole. i apologize. what she did is no big deal compared to lying politicians in the news here lately, of course. but she remains a liar and shit stirrer in my book, and i am not interested in reading anything she has to say about nipplegate; i would doubt its veracity.

Date: 2006-10-04 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com
Frankly I'm not prepared to believe you here unless I actually see evidence, which I doubt you can (or should - its probably confidential!) provide. I've taken at face value what you've said about rahaeli. I would hope you'd do the same for me, and suggest you think if there are any other interpretations beyond mendacity that can explain what happened with yonmei, and consider also that 'cockup' is much more common than 'conspiracy'.

Other than that, I think we're done here.

Date: 2006-10-05 02:36 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com
i am not sure how you came up with "conspiracy" -- there was no conspiracy involved. just plain lying.

i am not saying any of this to make you believe me -- i'd think that silly. i am a total stranger to you, why should you believe me? i said it to explain why i feel how i feel. evidence? yeah, i probably could, but man, i am not obsessed with yonmei, and going back through all that crap would require some serious obsession, and i have about a million better things to do. and, as i said, it's really not about convincing you. it's completely no skin off my back that she is your friend; i don't care -- why should i? the point was merely that i am disinclined to take her word for anything, and especially not as regards somebody like rahaeli.

Date: 2006-10-05 07:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com
The 'conspiracy vs. cockup' thing is a common phrase over here. Maybe I should instead have said 'do not assign to malice what can as easily be assigned to incompetance' to make my point.

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