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Today is Setting Orange, day 55 in the season of Chaos, 3270.

A bit from Bill Maher, posted by [livejournal.com profile] sistercoyote: "[...]gay marriage it [sic] opposed because it threatens or mocks or does something to the sanctity of marriage, as if anything you can do in Vegas drunk off your ass in front of an Elvis impersonator could be considered sacred". (Now, that totally depends on who you ask, as I know a few people who might consider that a good basis for a sacred rite, but mostly yeah.) I don't normally care much for Bill Maher, but this time he gets it right. Go, Bill.

In [livejournal.com profile] riba_rambles, Lis points to some stellar exchanges in the daily press briefing where Scott McClellan got to deal with questions about the president's flip-flop on whether marriage was a state issue or not (and by "deal with", I of course mean "totally fail to answer the question") and how exactly Bush expected society to break down if same-sex couples were allowed to marry. Who knew the press briefings could be so much fun? (No, really.)

A conservative case for gay marriage; Andrew Sullivan in a 1989 piece from The New Republic. Not to say I agree with his logic necessarily, but food for thought.

Public Vows: A History of Marriage and the Nation by Nancy F. Cott

Massachusetts Supreme Court Orders All Citizens to Gay Marry
"As we are all aware, it's simply not possible for gay marriage and heterosexual marriage to co-exist," Massachusetts Chief Justice Margaret H. Marshall said. "Our ruling in November was just the first step toward creating an all-gay Massachusetts."

Marshall added: "Since the allowance of gay marriage undermines heterosexual unions, we decided to work a few steps ahead and strike down opposite-sex unions altogether."

Date: 2004-02-24 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anotheranon.livejournal.com
I quite liked that speech by Bill Maher, there :)

Kerry has stood up to Bush on the gay marriage issue, but I'm of mixed emotions about what he said. On the one hand, I think he rightly points out that Bush is using the issue as a distraction during campaigning season, but I wish he'd have the balls to get over the "civil union" tiptoeing and just come out in favor of gay marriage!

Date: 2004-02-24 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yy2bggggs.livejournal.com
Re, "Massachusetts Supreme Court Orders All Citizens to Gay Marry"...

This is a shame. The Onion article is clearly avoiding the real controversy. According to Massachusetts State Law, the Gay Marriage Licenses are not lifetime applicable--you are forced to renew every year, after you pay the fee. I was hoping I could avoid this by marrying out of state, until I ran across the "Gay Use Clause".

Date: 2004-02-25 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dionysia.livejournal.com
you know the onion is satire, right??

Date: 2004-02-25 08:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hammercock.livejournal.com
That press briefing is truly a thing of wonder and awe. Surely McClellan must be embarrassed and ashamed at having to get up there and look like such a fool as he evades question after question.

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